yeah and just trying to capture that. so obviously the the new delay pedal is is coming here pretty soon and you know how much of that is is trying to balance what you were talking about as far as heaven you know want you to decide that oh hey we have enough options?
Zach: right well that that was something that I had to kind of find a balance from the beginning because one thing I do on Instagram is I do whenever I'm trying to design something I'll do a poll but yes you know every every one that has liked my channel for one reason or another another is some sort of fan or at least hopefully they're a guitar player and they have valuable input and the suggestions went from the most mild and boring to the most extreme and so from the very beginning as I tried to figure out like what can I offer that you know is gonna meet the basic needs of a good delay pedal like have a good sound have a good feature set and, you know how far I don't want to I want to take the the, modernist of it you know so it had to have a tap, and I wanted a tap from the beginning even if it was gonna be just like three knobs I wanted it to have a tap but, I didn't ever in the beginning think I want to have subdivisions, but it was something easy for my designer who I hired to do Neil from doctor scientist, who's like a wizard of all things, like digitally programmed so like adding the subdivision thing was very important to me and that really you know I didn't want to really want to take it any further than that because I feel like all the things I make are made for like guitar players who are ready to play guitar and not people looking to have like a spaceship at their feet
Jeff: right, well and there's certainly lots of other companies that you know do all those other kinds of things and you know for for Mythos you know primarily you've been about Drive pedals so to make that next step into other kinds of pedals I'm sure is a big undertaking?
Zach: oh yeah, and and the this the manufacturer of this pedal is gonna be it means it's completely different than anything I've ever done and, honestly I think I priced it too low but I've already said how much I was gonna try to sell it forward so I feel like like this won't make that much money but but yeah cuz it's a completely different construction its surface mount it's got microcontrollers and a big digital brain and like the company that's helping do my circuit boards because I can't hand solder it there's just just no way I would go and say they're doing some programming and then after each pedal is fully assembled I have to completely program the microcontroller that tells like the tap tempo how to work and like tells it to when you unplug it to save what the last like tempo was and so all these things have to be done and I never factored that in when I was like price like oh this is gonna take like a long time to make one happen work there's a lot of things that can mess up.
Jeff: yeah, do you think the the pedal market is at some point becoming too oversaturated with different brands or do you think there's always room for people to develop within there?
Zach: you know I think there's there's always room for people to like come into the market and I get asked this a lot, you know by by small guys who are just starting out like how do I do that and you know I think, it's I think the hardest thing about entering this market is establishing an identity and having an ethos about about what you're trying to do but, it's funny like as many people has come in every now and again you'll see like some bigger guys kind of you know taking a step back or stopping what they're doing, and you know the industry determines, what is gonna succeed or fail and in a way, you know but I I think there's still room for people to like come in and and play this game but you know it's hard it's really hard.
Jeff: yeah it seems like it'd be a very hard business to get into but it also seems like there's quite a large community of builders that support each other?
Zach: yeah yeah, I think that's one thing that's kind of cool about this scene is that like we don't really have a lot of secrets, and like there's you know sure there's rivalries between some guys and animosity between some guys I don't feel like I have that but you know if I have a problem and I can't figure it out and I think, I bet Josh Scott from GHS would know how to fix this I'll just call him and he's like yeah let me email you a schematic you know.
Jeff: yeah it does seem that like there's a lot more collaborations these days between different manufacturers.
Zach: I mean how many times can you do the same thing over and over and over and that's where I think you see more things succeeding is like like Keeley used to be all about the single like you know 3 knob overdrive or standalone unit and now you know they make all these cool like two-in-one pedals and all this you know amazing stuff and like that's I think that's really smart and I think it's really you know a way to keep a brand in the forefront of people's minds you know instead of saying oh here's another overdrive you know saying oh no here's an overdrive with a reverb and an echo all in one box like that cool you know and those kind of things I think are really cool for sure
Jeff: I think it's at some point it's about you know ultimately it's about to meet music that the musicians making and if you can help them have some sort of tool that helps them create
Zach: right I mean it just makes so yeah and and you know it's it there's a fine line you have to walk between like what you like you know cuz we're all a little predisposed or biased to make things that we want to play and I definitely fall into that I'll never make a compressor because I genuinely don't like compressor pedals Jeff: oh yeah